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| Primis wrote: | | Vik wrote: | | What makes Hamhuis so much better than Martin and Michalek? Martin's there to try to pick up some of the offense they lost with Gonchar and Michalek is just a great addition. |
For $4m/yr, Michalek is not a great addition. He's projected as a thjird-pairting guy. WHo in the hell pays $4m/yr for athird-pairing d-man with no offensive game whatsoever? Do you see Detroit signing Andreas Lilja for $4m/yr? Did Greg Zanon get $4m/yr? Those are very comparable players to Michalek.
Why Hamhuis? Because if they'd signed him, they wouldn't have still signed Michalek then. They threw $9m at a problem they weren't willing to pay $5m to fix. That makes *no* sense to me, at all... |
Have you even seen Michalek play? Lilja and Zanon aren't even close. Michalek's a definite top 4 and would be top pairing on a lot of teams. And just because he doesn't get involved in the offense too often doesn't mean he treats the puck like a dynamite or something (like a Lilja or Zanon). He can move the puck just fine, it's just that his role has been to shut teams down. Plus he actually has more goals in the last 5 years than Hamhuis does (26 vs 25). And funny thing is that Hamhuis probably spent more time on a 3rd pairing than Michalek did last year (behind Bouillon and Klein).
| Primis wrote: | | Vik wrote: | | The Wild struggling will have nothing to do with Koivu. They've got just an ugly draft record. And I don't see anything all that wrong with Havlat's cap hit. |
Aside form Gaborik, Koivu is apparently the best draft pick the Wild have ever made. I agree, they are terrible at scouting and drafting. However, the fact remains that on most any other team out there, Koivu would be a 2nd or 3rd line center, not 1st.
Koivu is making more money than Pavel Datsyuk or Henrik Zetetrberg, anyone on Cup champion Chicago not named Brian Campbell, Martin St. Louis, Ryan Getzlaf, etc...
He's also now making almost the same money as Jarome Iginla, Dany Heatley, etc.
I know he brings intangibles to the table, but you only reward someone for making those intangibles pay off. They're going to look mighty stupid when they miss the playoffs again this year and are overpaying him for all those "intangibles". |
I wasn't disagreeing with you that it's too much for Koivu. I was just saying that this contract really won't have anything to do with why the Wild are going to struggle. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:13 am |
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| Vik wrote: | | Have you even seen Michalek play? Lilja and Zanon aren't even close. Michalek's a definite top 4 and would be top pairing on a lot of teams. And just because he doesn't get involved in the offense too often doesn't mean he treats the puck like a dynamite or something (like a Lilja or Zanon). He can move the puck just fine, it's just that his role has been to shut teams down. Plus he actually has more goals in the last 5 years than Hamhuis does (26 vs 25). And funny thing is that Hamhuis probably spent more time on a 3rd pairing than Michalek did last year (behind Bouillon and Klein). |
Absolutely I've watched him play. We have Center Ice, and PHX was in vogue for late games last season in my household. He is only a Top 4 on a sad-sack team. He has a very narrow set of skills. You don't pay $4m/yr for a d-man with a very narrow set of skills, not in this cap world.
I'm maybe a bit harsh with him with the puck in comparing him to Zanon or Lilja I'll admit, but I still feel what they all bring to the table are very, very similar. Definitely not $4m/yr.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:42 am |
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| Primis wrote: | Absolutely I've watched him play. We have Center Ice, and PHX was in vogue for late games last season in my household. He is only a Top 4 on a sad-sack team. He has a very narrow set of skills. You don't pay $4m/yr for a d-man with a very narrow set of skills, not in this cap world.
I'm maybe a bit harsh with him with the puck in comparing him to Zanon or Lilja I'll admit, but I still feel what they all bring to the table are very, very similar. Definitely not $4m/yr. |
Yet Hamhuis is worth 5M? He brings a pretty similar game to the table as Michalek. Hamhuis is certainly more physical but also less consistent. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:58 pm |
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Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / Igor Makarov ($0.552m)
ex: John Scott ($0.512m)
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.142m)
Jordan Hendry ($0.600m) / Nick Boynton ($0.500m)
Marty Turco ($1.300m) / Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $4,157,753
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,995,757; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,469,243
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Enough room for rookie 7th defenseman. Beach will probably see some time, and -- if he's good in camp -- could start the season w/ them. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:06 pm |
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| JayzinSmith wrote: |
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m) . |
Kopecky on the 2nd line?? Are things in CHI really that bad now???
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:20 pm |
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| Primis wrote: | | JayzinSmith wrote: |
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m) . |
Kopecky on the 2nd line?? Are things in CHI really that bad now??? |
He was on their 2nd line when they won the Cup. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:57 pm |
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| Vik wrote: | | Primis wrote: | | JayzinSmith wrote: |
Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m) . |
Kopecky on the 2nd line?? Are things in CHI really that bad now??? |
He was on their 2nd line when they won the Cup. |
Only because they wanted to spread their scoring depth into 3 good lines, now it is because of necessity. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:40 pm |
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| tieio wrote: | | Only because they wanted to spread their scoring depth into 3 good lines, now it is because of necessity. |
He's there now because he was there at the end of last year. If it wasn't for that, one of the youngsters would be there (could still be). |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:45 pm |
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| Kopecky was a 4th liner most of the season. Near the end, he actually played well (on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines) and people say it was because he played for the Olympic team and realized he could be somewhat useful. The LWs will rotate again this season. |
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