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So I think it's generally believed that very low consistency will hinder a player's development and render him less effective as an NHLer.
I'm starting to think otherwise.
In a personal game I'm playing, my offence is built mostly around low-con guys and they are thriving.
Miguel Laramee
Pos: 1st line LW
Con: 30
Ratings: 90 OF, 78 DF
Development: A little under on ST and CH, otherwise spot on
Points last five years: 76, 97, 88, 99, 78
Trevor Dewsbury
Pos: 1st line RW
Con: 39
Ratings: 91 OF, 70 DF
Development: A little under on PL and PO, otherwise spot on
Points last five years: 96, 92, 96, 69, 85
Alex Brashear
Pos: 2nd line LW
Con: 31
Ratings: 86 OF, 87 DF
Development: SH low, PL low, ST high, CH low, PO high, HI spot on
Points last five years: 65, 90, 85, 81, 95
Pavel Ukhtomsky
Pos: 2nd line C
Con: 20
Ratings: 85 OF, 81 DF
Development: still developing, DF is accurate, OF still a bit more to go
Points last five years: N/A, 48, 78, 74, 86
Frank Kahn
Pos: 2nd line RW
Con: 50
Ratings: 83 OF, 88 DF
Development: Overdeveloped in all areas. Was once 99 DF. Has since declined a bit as his career is almost over
Points last five years: 88, 93, 81, 88, 71
Adrian Liokumovich
Pos: 3rd line C
Con: 38
Ratings: 85 OF, DF 73
Development: Only 25. SH low, PL low, ST high, CH low
Points last five years: N/A, N/A, 32, 54, 59
Thoughts? My team has had major success the last few years while being built around a bunch of low con guys who weren't high picks. |
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G: Mikhail Mironov • Mario Houde • Walter Patterson
D: Thierry Plante • Radislav Froemml • Andrej Morozenko • Borivoj Jaros • Dietrich Kuester • Santeri Vaananen
LW: Andrei Zhivanevsky • Kirill Gritsenko • Frank Kahn • Alex Brashear
C: Marat Sergeyev • Vyacheslav Ofonasin • Valeri Saitov • Pavel Ukhtomsky
RW: Bohuslav Harvalyk • Ondrej Andrla • Trevor Dewsbury • Nikolai Zholtok
| DaveG wrote: | | no Prim, it's the oil companies that try to avoid paying taxes. The Chechyn Rebels are simply responsible for all those long-term injuries that happen during "training". |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:17 pm |
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| gritsenko wrote: | So I think it's generally believed that very low consistency will hinder a player's development and render him less effective as an NHLer.
I'm starting to think otherwise. |
My experience is that low CON guys, put int he right situation, can do fine at the NHL level. In fact, they can even outright thrive. For quite some time Dmitri Shitikov and all of his what, 30 CON, was a staple of my expansion games because he always did decently immediately in the NHL.
I also have long suspected that one or two of my key skaters in my REHMC game had very low CON just by their performance, but they developed fine in the NHL (again though they spent no time in the AHL and were signed directly to NHL icetime).
It's the development in the AHL where they often suffer. A low CON guy in the AHL has a miserable time, more often than not, and won't develop very well. A low CON guy in the NHL can find a place, I guess, and even develop quite nicely. A low CON guy in the AHL just goes there to pretty much die...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:03 pm |
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| Every guy I posted there spent at least two years in the AHL and their development didn't seem to suffer at all. In the past I've only drafted low con guys in order to trade them, but with the success these guys are having, that may change. |
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Offline Game-Gen All-Star Team
G: Mikhail Mironov • Mario Houde • Walter Patterson
D: Thierry Plante • Radislav Froemml • Andrej Morozenko • Borivoj Jaros • Dietrich Kuester • Santeri Vaananen
LW: Andrei Zhivanevsky • Kirill Gritsenko • Frank Kahn • Alex Brashear
C: Marat Sergeyev • Vyacheslav Ofonasin • Valeri Saitov • Pavel Ukhtomsky
RW: Bohuslav Harvalyk • Ondrej Andrla • Trevor Dewsbury • Nikolai Zholtok
| DaveG wrote: | | no Prim, it's the oil companies that try to avoid paying taxes. The Chechyn Rebels are simply responsible for all those long-term injuries that happen during "training". |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:30 pm |
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| ive had guys with monster ceilings and low con never develop what is your secret i have even put them in the NHL right away top 2 lines |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:38 pm |
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I didn't do anything out of the ordinary with them. Just kept them in junior till 20, then signed them to my AHL team, made sure they were on the top two lines, then after two or three years I called them up. Most of them started on my fourth line in the NHL.
They were usually ready after two years max in the AHL, but sometimes they had to wait longer because my team was pretty deep. Kahn, if I recall, only played one year in the AHL.
I've had the odd low con, high ceiling guy not pan out in this file, but a whole bunch of them have.
I forgot to mention three of my d-men are low con too - Rico Swessey (53/89 - was actually a 5th rounder), Devan Oates (72/86) and Calvin Chicavich (61/87). |
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Offline Game-Gen All-Star Team
G: Mikhail Mironov • Mario Houde • Walter Patterson
D: Thierry Plante • Radislav Froemml • Andrej Morozenko • Borivoj Jaros • Dietrich Kuester • Santeri Vaananen
LW: Andrei Zhivanevsky • Kirill Gritsenko • Frank Kahn • Alex Brashear
C: Marat Sergeyev • Vyacheslav Ofonasin • Valeri Saitov • Pavel Ukhtomsky
RW: Bohuslav Harvalyk • Ondrej Andrla • Trevor Dewsbury • Nikolai Zholtok
| DaveG wrote: | | no Prim, it's the oil companies that try to avoid paying taxes. The Chechyn Rebels are simply responsible for all those long-term injuries that happen during "training". |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:41 am |
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| what did u do for their training? |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:24 pm |
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| Pretty normal... forwards to attack, defence to defence. Although I may have trained Kahn on defence, can't remember. Set my AHL training to something like 70% personal, 20% general, 10% special teams. |
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Offline Game-Gen All-Star Team
G: Mikhail Mironov • Mario Houde • Walter Patterson
D: Thierry Plante • Radislav Froemml • Andrej Morozenko • Borivoj Jaros • Dietrich Kuester • Santeri Vaananen
LW: Andrei Zhivanevsky • Kirill Gritsenko • Frank Kahn • Alex Brashear
C: Marat Sergeyev • Vyacheslav Ofonasin • Valeri Saitov • Pavel Ukhtomsky
RW: Bohuslav Harvalyk • Ondrej Andrla • Trevor Dewsbury • Nikolai Zholtok
| DaveG wrote: | | no Prim, it's the oil companies that try to avoid paying taxes. The Chechyn Rebels are simply responsible for all those long-term injuries that happen during "training". |
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